Primer francés de bolsillo en caja

[stepona555]

Presento un LIP de bolsillo no tengo idea de que año .En esfera pone cronometro .

 

[cesccat]

muéstranos la máquina, aquí conocida por calibre.

De esta marca hay varios registros, pero que diga Chronomètre Lip solo esta

Chronomètre Lip

E. Lipmann / Lip SA

Gehäuse, Zifferblätter; Besançon, Frankreich; registriert am 20.4.1899 (bzw. am 31.12.1896 in Frankreich)

https://en-m-wikipedia-org.translat...tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=es&_x_tr_hl=es&_x_tr_pto=sc


LIP manufacturaba calibres y de bolsillo tiene varios. Hay que ver la máquina.

 

[stepona555]

 

[cesccat]

stepona, según el tamaño del calibre será un nº u otro. Me llama la atención los números que se ven. Puedes decírmelos.

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Fig. 1

Fig. 2

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[TD="bgcolor: #FFD2D2"][SIZE=+1]Lip 39.2[/SIZE]

Features
stem wind and set
sub second

Data
17.5''', Dm= 39.0mm, Do= 39.55mm
H= 5.4mm
F= 0.5...0.6mm
T= 2.0mm
15 jewels
f = 18000 A/h
power-reserve 31h

Balance staff U1012

Stem W1512

Mainspring / battery
Zf3471, 2.00 x 14.0 x 0.18 x 390mm

Hands
1.75 x 1.00 / 0.29mm

Comments about the data[/TD]
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Remarks
open face calibre
Breguet hairspring
differences not known between 39.2, 39.3

family:
39.2, 39.3: 17.5'''
40.2, 40.3: 18'''

Example, year: signature; shock device
ca. 1940: 328318, Lip, 393
(Lip 39.3)[/TD]
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[cesccat]

no descarto que pueda ser este. LIP 43.2

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Fig. 1

Fig. 2
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[TD="bgcolor: #FFD2D2"][SIZE=+1]ZIM Salut (Lip 43.2)[/SIZE]

Features
stem wind and set
sub second

Data
17.5''', Dm= 42.45mm, Do= 43.2mm
H= 5.9mm
F= 0.5mm
T= 2.2mm
15 jewels
f = 18000 A/h

Balance staff U1951, Ronda 3545
Lip movements are poorly recorded, and ZIm movements even worse. The dimensions taken from the staff allow both, Flume U1951 and Ronda 3545 as replacement, although the dimensions slightly differ.

Stem W1609

Mainspring / battery
Zf3423, 1.90 x 17.0 x 0.21 x 490mm

Hands
2.00 x 1.15 / 0.26mm

Comments about the data[/TD]
[TD="width: 40%"]Remarks
open face calibre
Breguet hairspring
if ever, then also listed as Saljut, Salyut), or yk-6
The few available sources agree only upon Lip as origin. Varying origin calibres are mentioned, only the Lip 43.2 not, although it is the only one with matching dimesions and layout.
Since catalog data are not available, they were taken from the Lip 43.2 as far as available. But some parts were modified after adopting the calibre from Lip.

Example, year: signature; shock device
ca. 1955: 328626, ZIM, 15 Kamnei (15 jewels)[/TD]
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Resorte del tiret es diferente.
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Fig. 1
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[TD="bgcolor: #FFD2D2"][SIZE=+1]Lip 43.2[/SIZE]

Features
stem wind and set
sub second

Data
17.5''', Dm= 42.45mm, Do= 43.2mm
H= 5.9mm
F= 0.5mm
T= 2.2mm
15 jewels
f = 18000 A/h

Balance staff U1951, Ronda 3545
Lip movements are poorly recorded. Both, Flume U1951 and Ronda 3545 are sufficient replacements, although the dimensions slightly differ.

Stem W1609

Mainspring / battery
Zf3423, 1.90 x 17.0 x 0.21 x 490mm

Hands
2.00 x 1.15 / 0.26mm

Comments about the data[/TD]
[TD="width: 40%"]Remarks
open face calibre
Breguet hairspring
bridge layout cf. Zim Salut

Example, year: signature; shock device
1947: old data sheet
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[stepona555]

34 y 35253

 

[cesccat]

pues no se que decir. Los mostrados tienen una numeración de 6 números y en el tuyo la segunda cifra solo tiene 5. Puede que sea anterior.

 

[cesccat]

https://forumamontres.forumactif.com/t93164-lip-besancon

https://www.hablemosderelojes.com/t/zim-de-bolsillo-con-movimiento-dorado/80242


pues no descarto que existiera un calibre 34 y el número de serie fuera de cinco números. Mírate bien el segundo enlace.

 

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[TH="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Création[/TH]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent !important"]1867[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Fondateurs[/TH]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Emmanuel Lipmann[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Personnages clés[/TH]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Fred Lip, Charles Piaget, Jean-Claude Sensemat, Jean-Luc Bernerd, Philippe Berard[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Siège social[/TH]
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Besançon (France)[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Activité[/TH]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Horlogerie[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Produits[/TH]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Montres[/TD]
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[TH="bgcolor: transparent !important"]Société mère[/TH]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent !important"]SMB Horlogerie[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent !important"]lip.fr[/TD]
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https://www.wikiwand.com/fr/Lip

 

[MALACAY]

años 1920/30, este con serie 23.851