son todos los relojes suizos hechos en suiza?

[wic]

hola a todos tengo una duda como novato que soy, a ver si me la podeis aclarar.

ahi va, a las seis en todos los relojes suizos aparece el tipico "swiss made" pero en algún ejemplar veo que pone solo "swiss" o "swiss t" y no se si es que estas piezas no estan hechas en suiza aunque si pertenezcan a marcas suizas. por ejemplo, en el caso de los swatch no aparece el "swiss made" y en algunos vintage he visto "swiss T", es especialmente este caso en el que estoy más interesado.

muchas gracias a todos

wic

 

[rebertos]

Usa el buscador!!muchos llevan solo swiss porque la marca es suiza, pero hechos y ensamblados en china (seguramente).
Otros son medio suizos, parte (o todas) sus piezas estan hechas en china y se montan en suiza.
Y otros, si que son suizos , pero el porcentaje es discutible...

Un saludo!!

 

[rebertos]

Toma, este enlace te servira para la T 😉

http://www.fhs.swiss/eng/404.html

 

[LUDA]

Los marcajes antiguos son otra cosa, los % eran distintos para ser considerados suizos.

La T del dial marca que tiene luminiscencia por tritio, posteriormente se empezó a usar luminova y algunos se marcaban con la L.

 

[Nachi]

Desde luego este foro es un foro de sabiduria...

 

[atmorte]

y los niños de Paris?

Salutes

 

[TerraK]

Hay que distinguir entre hecho en suiza y montado en suiza

 

[cestommek]

Swiss made de la web de la FHS,copiado y pegado(lo que resalto en negrita es lo importante y debajo hago el comentario):

"This law is based on a concept according to which Swiss quality depends on the amount of work actually carried out on a watch in Switzerland, even if some foreign components are used in it. It therefore requires that the assembly work on the movement (the motor of the watch) and on the watch itself (fitting the movement with the dial, hands and the various parts of the case) should be carried out in Switzerland, along with the final testing of the movement. It also requires that at least 50% of the components of the movement should be manufactured in Switzerland.

50% del MOVIMIENTO,no del reloj,lo pone bien claro :

Certain regions in Switzerland have their own "place of origin" labels. One of the most renowned is "Genève", which identifies top-quality timepieces made in the city and canton of Geneva. Like "Swiss made", this label is very popular with counterfeiters and therefore benefits from continuous protection within the framework of the FH's anti-counterfeiting programme.

The Swiss watch industry is very active in safeguarding the integrity of "Swiss made" and its other regional labels of quality.

The vigilant consumer can also play an effective supporting role. By choosing reputable sales points and not being tempted by deals that are as dubious as they are outlandish, he or she will help to thwart counterfeiters, protect his or her own interests and contribute to the defence of fair trading.

The FH and its regional representatives will be happy to provide further information on this subject.


Conditions for use

A Swiss watch

Only when it is Swiss, may a watch carry the indications "Swiss made" or "Swiss", or any other expression containing the word "Swiss" or its translation, on the outside. According to Section 1a OSM, a watch is considered to be Swiss if:

- its movement is Swiss (recordar el punto de arriba del 50% )
-its movement is cased up in Switzerland;(cased significa montarlo en la caja,no HACER,la caja,importantisimo este aspecto,es decir,la caja puede ser extranjera)

-and the manufacturer carries out the final inspection in Switzerland.

Ya está,no hay mas,no se exige el swiss made en correas ni brazaletes,ni siquiera en la caja,aqui es opcional ponerlo,leer mas abajo en casos particulares.

A Swiss watch movement

As we have seen, to be Swiss, a watch must use a Swiss movement. According to Section 2 OSM, a movement is considered to be Swiss if:

it has been assembled in Switzerland;(ensamblado,no fabricado)
it has been inspected by the manufacturer in Switzerland;(está claro) and
the components of Swiss manufacture account for at least 50 percent of the total value, without taking into account the cost of assembly.
(este % es en costes,no en fabricacion )

If the movement fulfills these conditions, but the watch is not assembled in Switzerland, the "Swiss" indication may be affixed to one of the components of the movement. On the outside of the watch, may then only appear the "mouvement suisse" or "Swiss movement" indication. Section 3 § 3 OSM requires that the word "movement" appear in full, and be written in the same type-face, of identical size and colour, as the word "Swiss".

Particular cases

Wristlet(brazaletes,a ver cuantos lo cumplen )

The "Swiss made" indication may only(eso significa SOLO ) appear on a wristlet if it is of Swiss manufacture and if the watch is also Swiss. A wristlet is considered to be Swiss if it has undergone an essential manufacturing operation in Switzerland and if 50 percent of the production costs originate in Switzerland.(lo que comente de los costes)

When a Swiss wristlet is attached to a watch manufactured abroad, it may only bear a reference to the word "Swiss" if this designation clearly shows that only the wristlet is of Swiss manufacture (for example, "Swiss wristlet").

Case(aqui nos vamos a reir un rato)

The "Swiss case" indication on a watch case betokens that the case is of Swiss manufacture. A case is considered to be Swiss if:
(lo de swiss case se entiende tambien como llevar swiss o swiss made en la tapa)

-it has undergone an essential manufacturing operation in Switzerland (stamping, turning, or polishing);
-it has been assembled and inspected in Switzerland; and
-over 50 percent of the manufacturing costs (excluding the value of the material) are due to operations carried out in Switzerland.

OJo,esto es opcional,por algo son casos particulares,por tanto,puede haber cajas suizas sin el swiss made,el ejemplo mas claro Rolex.

When the "Swiss case" indication appears on the outside of the case, and the watch is of foreign manufacture, the origin of the movement or of the watch must also be affixed to the outside of the watch.

"Swiss Quartz" indication

Bla bla bla...esto ya no nos interesa tanto

Pues eso,y eso lo dice la FHS.

Eso sí en el caso del brazalete y correas lo pone bien claro,solo puede ponerlo si es suizo,aui es donde mas diferencias vemos porque hay marcas que lo ponen y otras que no.
Algunos ejemplo,Rolex,breitling,Omega,JLC...etc etc y en general todas las marcas de cierto nivel ya,es algo en lo que ninguna falla,todas lo ponen o casi todas.

El resto ni idea,a volar la imaginacion de cada uno y confiar o no,de nuestras marcas,yo solo he tratado de interpretar lo mejor posible el panfleto roñoso este que la FHS pone en su web...

A ver para cuando la ley del 80% señores de la FHS... claro querer es una cosa,ahora que puedan o les convenga otra...
Si fuera por mi exigiria el swiss made hasta en la junta de la trócola



Saludos!

 

[martifa67]

Gracias por tu post. Estoy alucinando. Voy ahora mismo a comprobar los mios¡¡¡¡

 

[dic1]

exacto, se puede decir mas alto pero no mas claro

 

[JIC]

muchos llevan solo swiss porque la marca es suiza, pero hechos y ensamblados en china (seguramente).

"Swiss" y "Swiss Made" es lo mismo en cuanto a marcaje

 

[saxito]

y los niños de Paris?

Salutes

Solo los parisinos...

Por cierto... Ya no veo vendedores de "barrrrrquillos... y rico "parisien"...

Vaya... Que ya me he olvidado de tomar la pastilla...