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feroba
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Para mí los acabados dejan mucho que desear.
El achaflandado de los puentes no es muy correcto que digamos.
Los dientes de los engranajes no están achflanados en las crestas, señal de poca calidad en un engranaje.
Se ve una gran rebaba en el interior de la rueda dentada dorada.
El material que sirve de base a donde están montados los elementos (debajo del volante) no está ni tan siquiera mecanizado (lo han montado tal como sale de la fundición).
No acabo de entender que es tan impresionante, y eso sin tirar de lupa de relojero...
El achaflandado de los puentes no es muy correcto que digamos.
Los dientes de los engranajes no están achflanados en las crestas, señal de poca calidad en un engranaje.
Se ve una gran rebaba en el interior de la rueda dentada dorada.
El material que sirve de base a donde están montados los elementos (debajo del volante) no está ni tan siquiera mecanizado (lo han montado tal como sale de la fundición).
No acabo de entender que es tan impresionante, y eso sin tirar de lupa de relojero...
F
feroba
Forer@ Senior
Sin verificar
A mí me parece un cuarentón con mucho arte, pero para gustos los relojes y si los GS son de mala calidad el tiempo aún no lo ha confirmado, conque no lo serán tanto.
Saludos
No digo que sea de mala calidad, ni mucho menos, pero los acabados sí dejan un poco que desear, es sólo mi opinión, esos acabados, hoy en día, en la industria no se admiten, por lo menos si estás vendiendo un objeto de lujo.
Rara vez verás un elemento fresado sin su correspondiente operación de matado de aristas, en esta fotografía, sin embargo veo una gran rebaba.
El filo de los dientes de los engranajes, normalemente, siempre se achaflana, en este caso no está.
Y lo que llega más lejos es la pieza colocada directamente de fundición, sin trabajo previo de mecanizado, eso en la industria, es un síntoma de dejadez.
Pero vamos, es sólo mi opinión, cualquiera puede tener otra y la respeto.
4Hz
Habitual
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En eso estoy de acuerdo contigo, los acabados dejan que desear para la calidad de hoy día, esos acabados yo no los admitiría en un reloj de gama media-alta o gama alta actual, pero es que este GS es de hace cuarenta años y aunque no sé si en 1966 se podía hacer lo que se hace hoy, me parece que no está nada mal.
Una foto de un GS de 2006, desde luego hay diferencia de acabados:
Saludos
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foversta
Habitual
Verificad@ con 2FA
No estoy 100% de acuerdo pero todo no es falso ! Es el problema de las fotos macro : quitan un poco de magia a los relojes...
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SteveG
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I apologize for responding in English...
I apologize for responding in English, but I am glad you are enjoying my pictures and creating some
interesting opinions!
I prefer to let the watch speak for itself through the photograph (so my articles are usually very short!),
but I would like to add a few comments to this discussion:
-- While some pre-WWII pocket watch movements had striping and perhaps other decoration, it seems that
Seiko almost never added decorative finish to wristwatch movements before the use of glass display backs.
It was an European tradition to finish the movement of a fine watch beautfully even though only a
watchmaker would likely see it, this does not appear to be a Seiko tradition.
-- The Grand Seiko and other chronometer movements from the 1960s were brand new, and created
specifically with timekeeping performance as the prime purpose. Decoration was not necessary, only functional
finish mattered. While bridge striping and beveled spokes look great and indicate special attention, they
probably do not affect timekeeping quality.
-- The internal Seiko timekeeping standard that this watch had to meet was -3/+8 seconds per day. For
perspective, current COSC standards (40 year later!) for mechanical wristwatches are -4/+6 seonds per day.
Regardless of how this movement looks to us, it was a great performer.
-- My personal observations about the finish of this movement: The steel parts are generally very well
done; the winding gears are mirrored or brushed beautifully, the fine-adjustor is interesting and
very polished, and the screws are polished with beveled edges. Only the top edges of the gears seem slightly
rough but I do not see any loose metal. The bridges have a plain machined surface, but it is very clean,
as are the holes. The bridge for the timekeeping train is also anglaged, simply (and obviously by hand);
again it is not polished but is quite clean. I am unsure of the method used to finish the plate under the
balance bridge, while it is not machined in the European fashion, it looks perfectly capable to my eyes.
The hairspring has an interesting final turn, it looks hand-bent (but not an overcoil).
As I mention above, I prefer to show the picture and allow people to enjoy the watch and mvement as
it is in reality. I would only stress that these Seiko chronometers were in fact the finest timekeeping
wristwatches of their age, and they are historical and enjoyable for this special reason.
Thanks for reading!
--
I apologize for responding in English, but I am glad you are enjoying my pictures and creating some
interesting opinions!
I prefer to let the watch speak for itself through the photograph (so my articles are usually very short!),
but I would like to add a few comments to this discussion:
-- While some pre-WWII pocket watch movements had striping and perhaps other decoration, it seems that
Seiko almost never added decorative finish to wristwatch movements before the use of glass display backs.
It was an European tradition to finish the movement of a fine watch beautfully even though only a
watchmaker would likely see it, this does not appear to be a Seiko tradition.
-- The Grand Seiko and other chronometer movements from the 1960s were brand new, and created
specifically with timekeeping performance as the prime purpose. Decoration was not necessary, only functional
finish mattered. While bridge striping and beveled spokes look great and indicate special attention, they
probably do not affect timekeeping quality.
-- The internal Seiko timekeeping standard that this watch had to meet was -3/+8 seconds per day. For
perspective, current COSC standards (40 year later!) for mechanical wristwatches are -4/+6 seonds per day.
Regardless of how this movement looks to us, it was a great performer.
-- My personal observations about the finish of this movement: The steel parts are generally very well
done; the winding gears are mirrored or brushed beautifully, the fine-adjustor is interesting and
very polished, and the screws are polished with beveled edges. Only the top edges of the gears seem slightly
rough but I do not see any loose metal. The bridges have a plain machined surface, but it is very clean,
as are the holes. The bridge for the timekeeping train is also anglaged, simply (and obviously by hand);
again it is not polished but is quite clean. I am unsure of the method used to finish the plate under the
balance bridge, while it is not machined in the European fashion, it looks perfectly capable to my eyes.
The hairspring has an interesting final turn, it looks hand-bent (but not an overcoil).
As I mention above, I prefer to show the picture and allow people to enjoy the watch and mvement as
it is in reality. I would only stress that these Seiko chronometers were in fact the finest timekeeping
wristwatches of their age, and they are historical and enjoyable for this special reason.
Thanks for reading!
--
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PET
Habitual
Sin verificar
Welcome this forum, steve. Sin embargo la decoración y el perfecto funcionamiento son cuestiones que están muy relacionadas, ya que precisamente los criterios del sello de Ginebra -por poner un ejemplo- tienen por misión EMHO favorecer el correcto funcionamiento del reloj, evitando mayores desgastes al tener todos sus elementos bien pulidos y ajustados.
En cualquier caso, el reloj tiene un aspecto fantastico, es muy bonito, y teniendo en cuenta la época, supongo que no eran muchos los relojes que le superaban.
En cualquier caso, el reloj tiene un aspecto fantastico, es muy bonito, y teniendo en cuenta la época, supongo que no eran muchos los relojes que le superaban.
ivanra
Forer@ Senior
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ricardo6
Habitual
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Hello Steve you are welcome, thanks for all your information. I am an admirer of your collection and great pics. We expect you will continue posting on this our site (the best in Spanish Language, je, je). Here several members as you can see are able to speak and write in English, so no problem, others understand quite well, besides is a good oportunity for you to learn a bit Spanish. We are glad you entered here as it seems our forum is already being known abroad. It is not still as important as TZ forum (to which some of us as well belong) but just give us time, we already have important Spanish master watchmakers on the forum, as you can check if you read us frequently, I assume you understand more or less our language. Anyway welcome and thanks for reading.
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icomm
Milpostista
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No need to apologize regarding the language you write... I understand you got the copyright on the picture which is amazing, congratulations, it has been taken as a profi and allows to see the quality & beauty of the movement. So think up to date nobody here is able to justify & explain different industrial processes between those 40 years like you...
I hardly recommend you to join our forum right now and share your precious watch knowlegment... Do not worry about the language, there is a lot of english speakers amongst or community...
Welcome aboard and enjoy...
Rgds
I hardly recommend you to join our forum right now
and share your precious watch knowlegment... Do not worry about the language, there is a lot of english speakers amongst or community...Welcome aboard and enjoy...
Rgds
manoloyloles
Baneado a petición popular
Sin verificar
No probleming with the languaging, Steve. I speaks inglish beri vell... 
Seriously, we do welcome you and look forward to your comments and photos. You are a must when it comes to pics... simply the greatest... by all means!
Enjoy, and if you want any post translated, please feel free to contact me.
BTW, we also have a forum for "yellow" watches discussion!
Bienvenido.
Seriously, we do welcome you and look forward to your comments and photos. You are a must when it comes to pics... simply the greatest... by all means!
Enjoy, and if you want any post translated, please feel free to contact me.
BTW, we also have a forum for "yellow" watches discussion!
Bienvenido.
Rodaballo
Lord of the Links
Sin verificar
Thank you Steve for your comments ...
Hi,
I am the responsible of some of the links that you can find in this forum to your web page.
We all agree that you have a wonderful collection of watches and pictures.
The details that you show allows us to enjoy the watch as if we were almost holding it in our hands.
Comparing the Grand Seiko to watches of the same age makes us wonder how Seiko has always been associated with "cheap" watches.
These pictures and your comments show that Seiko watches of that moment and some of the actual Grand Seiko's are high in quality grade both as performers and in finishing.
Thank you again for all your efforts that allow watch enthusiasts to enjoy your quality pieces and pictures. Please, continue with your good work.
Best wishes
Rodaballo
Hi,
I am the responsible of some of the links that you can find in this forum to your web page.
We all agree that you have a wonderful collection of watches and pictures.
The details that you show allows us to enjoy the watch as if we were almost holding it in our hands.
Comparing the Grand Seiko to watches of the same age makes us wonder how Seiko has always been associated with "cheap" watches.
These pictures and your comments show that Seiko watches of that moment and some of the actual Grand Seiko's are high in quality grade both as performers and in finishing.
Thank you again for all your efforts that allow watch enthusiasts to enjoy your quality pieces and pictures. Please, continue with your good work.
Best wishes
Rodaballo
Goldoff
Administrador de RE
Tripulación
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Hi Steve, I am a fan of your site long since. It's our pleasure to have you among us.
In order to try making it a bit easier, I have added a Babelfish translator to the forum (at the bottom). I know it is not perfect -and sometimes funny, but it's the best I've found, so please feel free to visit us as often as you want.
Best regards
[Edit: It doesn't work... uninstalling. Sorry
]
In order to try making it a bit easier, I have added a Babelfish translator to the forum (at the bottom). I know it is not perfect -and sometimes funny, but it's the best I've found, so please feel free to visit us as often as you want.
Best regards
[Edit: It doesn't work... uninstalling. Sorry
]
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